Because the Midnight entity is incorperal, and the Nightmare Child is described as having been something corperal: they knew it was male, they mentioned jaws, they could see it. Even its name really creeps me out, sounds pretty weird/creepy/sinister, in my opinion. To the Time Lord that became known only as The Nightmare Child, this fact presented an intriguing possibility. The Nightmare Child shrugged it off but it was clearly slowing down. Thanks! 'Grandfather!' A rupture in the fabric of reality due to the all the paradoxes produced by both the Daleks and Timelords through their time manipulations and time travelling within the Time War. --Catkind121 21:47, January 8, 2010 (UTC), Wait a sec, can anyone tell me if this was mentioned anywhere apart from in The End of Time? I'm A Hydroponic Tomato! Its first alien villains, the Daleks became an instant hit. (PROSE: The Third Wise Man), Cass Fermazzi had an encounter with the Nightmare Child. Like a crack of some sort. And with a new face no less?" A certain horror of the Last Great Time War is only mentioned in passing, the name only remembered in legend. Some of the weapons are creepifying just by their names — the Dalek fleet that "flew into the jaws of the Nightmare Child" is one hell of a Noodle Incident to ponder. the Command Dalek screeched, and with good reason. 'The nightmare child will follow!' https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/The_Third_Wise_Man_(short_story) It defenantly has a face and jaws, which are bigger than a borg cube. The Nightmare Child's Lullaby (Poem) DoctorDalek. Or something like that and was used by the Time Lords as a weapon agianst the Daleks. In the first year of the War, Davros' command ship was seemingly destroyed at the Gates of Elysium after flying into the jaws of the Nightmare Child. I agree when the Eternals left reality, it would've come out to play. A schoolteacher keeps seeing a strange little girl in her apartment building. But it would be good to see it in the new series. That is generated from child time lords fear. Lutennant Vell the jugde. Bait-and-Switch Comment: With these two races: one is igorant, the other is idiotic, and both equally reckless, they are bound to create something catastrophic...I mean look at Gallifrey, the Doctor thinks it's beautiful, EEA and UNEP people would probably get heart attacks if they see what the planet look like. If the timelords did create the nightmare child, than they meant for it to be some kind of monster, or whatever it was, so that they could use it against the Daleks.Icecreamdif 00:25, December 7, 2010 (UTC), it might be the devil himself that the timelords somehow released, The Nightmare child wasn't featured in the day of the doctor so i don't know. Davros is a character from the long-running British science fiction television series Doctor Who. I would imagine it would resemble a child, but would be a giant monster, about the size of a building. whatever it is, it was probably way bigger than a dalek command ship(which is most likely very big) to be able to enter its jaws Sclera1 13:33, October 26, 2010 (UTC). Except, the freaking thing is, how on Earth did it knock when it didn't have a physical form? He spoke of it as if it was one of the biggest, baddest, most evil things out there. Davros was believed to have been killed. Matta jr 21:04, February 20, 2010 (UTC), I think that it is meant to be something beyond the realms of post-childhood imagination, so you are therefore all wrong. NIGHTMARE CHILD EMERGING!'' So presumably it's some sort of mutated Dalek creation. So the two most powerful civilizations in the universe ever are going at it with the gloves off; bad enough. Elsa kept up the barrage of ice until the Monster froze solid inside the Zoo. The Nightmare Child was the first and only specimen of a new type of Dalek, created by Davros during the first year of the Last Great Time War. Weird... Delton Menace 02:39, January 3, 2010 (UTC), The Nightmare Child is one of those Time War things that can't be shown or described, because it's too complicated for the human mind to grasp. --AleXM 09:59, December 5, 2010, There isn't an episode that suggests that timelords can't reproduce, and the fact that they only have 12 regenerations, and didn't go extinct before the time war proves that they can reproduce. The evil dude. (PROSE: Doctor Who and the Time War) The War Doctor fought to prevent the rise of the Nightmare Child (PROSE: The Day of the Doctor) and made arrangements for it "to never arise and [to] forever be aware of its non-existence". Or maybe he was the ultimate dude in the time war, walking around causing trouble for both the daleks and, the time lords, obliterating whole platoons on both sides on a whim or a tantrum. Summary: Hush now, darling...go to sleep... Work Text: May father guide you through your dreams. The Tenth Doctor believed, in 2008's The Stolen Earth, that Davros' command ship had flown into the jaws of the Nightmare Child - an often discussed but never depicted monstrosity from the Time War. Unfortunately for Davros, this arrangement was short-lived, as his ship would be devoured by the Nightmare Child in the first year of the War, though unlike his guards he would be saved at the last moment by an insane Dalek Caan, leaving his devotees to meet their fiery end. In the Writer's Tale book by RTD, he mentions the full name being the Dalek Emperor's Nightmare Child. Once this had been achieved by the human-turned-Dalek, Oswin Oswald, the Parliament launched an attack to destroy the Asylum. Like a really big space-quid, just extremly horrifying and deformed. if we were told what it was or looked like it would spoil it lots of thing about the time war. (TV: The End of Time), When reliving a memory from his eighth incarnation, the Tenth Doctor recalled "laugh[ing] in the face of the Nightmare Child". "Not only will I escape from the Nightmare Child but I shall… The Nightmare Child was the first and only specimen of a new type of Dalek, created by Davros during the first year of the Last Great Time War. Is it an entity, a monster, something else? "You cannot escape from the jaws of the Nightmare Child!" Jim393 19:57, January 8, 2010 (UTC), I recon it is a giant bug like thing that Davros flew into. There is no more need for a doctor." Midnight was an incorperal entity, but similarly frightening. "So you've finally joined the war Doctor? (PROSE: The Third Wise Man) Cass Fermazzi had an encounter with the Nightmare Child. Davros sent a distress signal to the War Doctor, who attempted to save him. -- Olle1306 22:49, March 5, 2010 (UTC), Simply death? CONDUCT EMERGENCY MANEUVERS!'' The whole "birth" of the nightmare child could've just been in reference to the construction of a vessel so powerful, as the time lords are supposed to be a peaceful race. By what it is, I mean by what form is it? Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. Shouted Susan Davros saw it as the "perfect Dalek," rising above the flaws of every other Dalek. Dalek; A TARDIS; Additional Tags: Prose Poem; Language: English Stats: Published: 2014-11-30 Words: 87 Chapters: 1/1 Kudos: 4 Bookmarks: 1 Hits: 104. The Prime Minister's memory of the Doctor had b… All of that war, suffering, fire and insanity from the Time War could have manifested into an entity which would be dubbed the Nightmare Child, becoming a vile, vicious entity that feeds on chaos, pain destruction, insanity, and life itself. The nightmare child also does not care about good or evil it simply kills everything and its large enough to grab a small comand ship out … The ultimate demise to which nothing can escape, a neverending cataclysim...either that or it's one REALLY scary bloody monster. Death itself appeared in Torchwood series 2, literally came from the darkness itself. It smashed open saucers as if they were soggy lentils, burst open War TARDISes as if they were confetti bags, and pulled them in to its cavernous maw from which there is … https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Nightmare_Child?oldid=3069914, Coincidentally, the Nightmare Child backstory from. In my mind the nightmare child is a white skinned demon with flesh rotting and falling off it's black bones with a face like The Beast in The Satan Pit. (PROSE: Twice Upon a Time), Rassilon's plan to return Gallifrey to the universe would have allowed the Nightmare Child and other horrors to come out of the Time War and into reality. It sounds like the Nightmare Child may have been a huge, demonic monster, or something. Elsa returned to her human form and the now Frozen Nightmare Child shattered into a million pieces just as the bomber plane arrived. Well, I always imagined The Nightmare Child was a gigigantic, deformed shell-less Dalek that just grew while it feed from both sides, like tumor, especially because it was what crashed Davros Commandship if I remember right. Russel has said so about the events of the Time War, it is beyond visualisation, otherwise there is no mystery to it. Most of the species that inhabited the universe were unaware of the war, with only species of higher existence capable of observing the scarring upon the universe. The Nightmare Child ripped, tore, blasted, oozed, burned, and lashed at the massive Dalek fleet that opened fire on it. A possiblitiy is that: we don't know all of the factions in the Time War. And it is dipicted as a child, like a demonic child. also the Master ran from the time war before the Nightmare child was introduced so i doubt he had any involvement in its creation/construction/or birth... As for the creature from midnight, it had to be somewhat corporal as it managed to rip off the entire front section of the train. He called the War Doctor there, gloating as he and his command ship were swallowed by the Nightmare Child, despite the Doctor's efforts to save Davros. It was published on 21 September 2006, alongside The Art of Destruction and The Price of Paradise . Bigredrabbit (talk to me) 04:12, March 9, 2010 (UTC), I think it's something the daleks made. The Gates of Elysium were an antimatter cascade, a pit of clashing realities. Maybe the Nightmare Child is simply death. Picture [edit source] kSteed ☎ 03:39, 29 November 2020 (UTC) Why is Dalek Emperor concept art from Series 1 art being used or the Nightmae Child? Davros’ command ship flew into the jaws of the Nightmare Child, and the Gates of Elysium closed behind them. In the short episode, The Dalek that Time Forgot, it actually shows what the Nightmare Child looks like. but maybe not enough to swallow a dalek ship (mother ship), just plain ships, but also something living. (TV: Planet of the Daleks) Amongst the humanised Daleks of Kyrol, scientists such as … The Prime Minister ordered the abduction of the Eleventh Doctor and his companions, Amy Pond and Rory Williams, summoning them to the Parliament of the Daleks and granting them a mission to lower the indestructible force field of the Dalek Asylumso it could be destroyed to prevent the Daleks in the Asylum from breaking out. The Nightmare Child was born during the Last Great Time War. The Nightmare Child thought that this reluctance to push the limits of regeneration had no justification other than squeamishness, and increasingly felt it an indulgence her people could no longer afford. That really freaks me out when I think about it. The Time War. In this case, Dalek Caan fished him (and possibly his ship) out of the Nightmare Child's mouth. (TV: The Stolen Earth) Afterward, the Child itself fell into the Gates, and they closed and disappeared behind it. With Rod Serling, Janice Rule, Shepperd Strudwick, Terry Burnham. 'No I won't let her!' "Dalek, leave us." We know that there are cthulu-like monsters in Doctor Who. They mentioned "his emtpire." Directed by Alvin Ganzer. But what … (The Third Wise Man) In actuality, Davros was saved when Dalek Caan broke the War’s time-lock and took him to the post-war universe. --Catkind121 12:03, February 17, 19237142010 (UTC), Maybe, like the tardis, its a living ship. 188.8.131.52 14:10, March 13, 2010 (UTC), OR it could be something the Time Lords made possibly with the help of the Master (as he was bred for war) and it could have gone out of control. i think that it hasnt been described becauses it is something too terible for the human mind to concieve, (like one of the previous posts said) born in the fires of war, pain, suffering and hate, literaly the child of nightmares.184.108.40.206 09:07, July 27, 2010 (UTC). Do you get what I mean :P ? The nightmare child also does not care about good or evil it simply kills everything and its large enough to grab a small comand ship out of the sky and eat it so I'd say 700 ft esily. (PROSE: The Third Wise Man) Another account claimed the Eighth Doctor, the incarnation of the Doctor before the War Doctor, had been present instead. The Daleks are not any better: progenitor machine that have the intelligence of accepting testimony from a deceitful enemy but not good enough to automatically generate Daleks when the Dalek race is about to extinct; control panels that could disable or control all Daleks are always placed in a location convenient to the enemies and made so that Doctor/DoctorDonna could operate it; and make a reality bomb because they have too much time on their hands...sorry, I mean plungers (come on, if you have enough time to steal planets across all of time and space then you probably have enough time to just invade the Universe...especially when you know that the Doctor will come across one of these missing planets at some point because he also has too much time on hand, and you bloody stole Earth, the planet that he is always on). The Doctor confronts the supreme Dalek in Davros' chair to get back Clara. Some sort of dalek/cthulhian horror hybrid of some sort. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. Delton Menace 01:28, March 7, 2010 (UTC), I think the Nightmare Child is an ancient crap head, rather like the Beast, Abaddon and Durac. Davros is a genius who has mastered many areas of science, but also a megalomaniac … The single greatest conflict to ever blemish the universe, simultaneously existing throughout all of time and yet none of it. plausibly, the Time Lords during the Time War could have attempted to circumvent their reproductive issues, creating for themselves the children they wished they had been able to have; and that unwise effort spawned something horrible beyond all imagining. I've always imagined it as a large, demonic child head, but that's just me. https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Howling:What_IS_the_Nightmare_Child%3F?oldid=1914552, the Army of Meanwhiles and Neverweres: People (possibly only Daleks due to the Master's stance) erased in the Time War due to time manipulation on both side as said in The End of Time...or more abstractly, just people trapped in the Time War (since they can no longer affect other time periods, so they are sort separated from the current timeline of the Doctor and the Master), the Could've Been King: The could've been victor of the War (possibly Dalek Emperor due the Master's stance), the Horde of Travesties: Just bad stuffs in general that costed many lives during the War. --220.127.116.11 13:12, July 27, 2010 (UTC). (PROSE: The Third Wise Man) However, the Child survived. Delton Menace 13:50, March 6, 2010 (UTC), I thought he meant it more as a metaphor... like saying a Christian saying "with the angels" for a peaceful death, "the jaws of the Nightmare Child" could be a Time Lord euphemism for hell. (COMIC: The Forgotten) The Testimony Foundation had footage of the Doctor trying to defeat the Nightmare Child. The Nightmare Child is a vague, unspecified threat that the Tenth Doctor mentions, along with a laundry list of other horrors, that the Daleks or Time Lords unleashed during the Time War. Back from the Dead: Davros, who at this point has to be considered a professional resurrector. He was created by screenwriter Terry Nation, originally for the 1975 serial Genesis of the Daleks. Even among the Daleks the twisted abomination known as the Nightmare Child was feared and avoided. Feumas 23:12, February 16, 2010 (UTC), Ah, yes, I am going through all the episodes in order, haven't got there yet. The Nightmare Child The Last Great Time War. (TV: The End of Time), By the end of the Time War, Earth was duplicated thousands of times over to be used as bullets to fire at the Nightmare Child. DalekVictor554 08:59, July 27, 2010 (UTC). ), so perhaps it was born from the bloodshed and hatred? Straddling the line between the fears of the recent Nazi past, and a destructive nuclear future, they had people across Britain jumping behind their sofas. If we are lazy...the stuffs the Doctor mentioned could pretty much just be abstract labels of normal stuff we expected out of a Time War: Moreover, we know how bloody fragile Timelord technology is: blow a TARDIS, the Universe collapse; random stuff for meaningless rituals is actually a superpowerful random stuff that can destroy the Universe and rip open realities (something like that); and creating a superprison that would be opened if any timetraveller touched it despite that Davros or other parties may want to release Daleks. Davros is a major enemy of the series' protagonist, the Doctor, and is the creator of the Doctor's deadliest enemies, the Daleks. The Doctor had always described it as something not nice at all. I removed that. Hope that clears things up! Their scheme involves treachery at the highest levels, and a weapon capable of destroying the very fabric of time. "Don't call me 'Doctor' Davros. Even if they couldn't, that is not something that they would be worrying about during the timewar, since they could bring people back to life to fight in it anyway, without waiting for them to grow up. This is war. (PROSE: The Day of the Doctor) The Nightmare Child quickly became out of control, wanting to consume everything like a hungry child. 'Cos I cannae remember it being mentioned previously! Of golden threads and silver streams. Storyline In the year 4000, the Daleks conspire to conquer the Solar System. Saxon 3 20:54, February 20, 2012 (UTC), I think it could be a giant star, or black hole, or some other spacial anomoly. Feumas 11:08, February 17, 2010 (UTC), I actully think the nightmare child is a demon, like monster, or some sort of giant thingy that floats around in space eating things all around. In 2540, a scientific group of no more than twelve grey Daleks, led by a Dalek Section Leader, attempted to learn the technique of invisibility from the natives of Spiridon, operating from a laboratory. the Dalek shrieked. Davros' command ship flew into the "jaws" of this being during the first year of the war at the Gates of Elysium. That would make sense as Davros' ship was swallowed by the nightmare child and that could mean it crashed into the star or sucked into a black hole. ''EMERGENCY! I don't think it's very likely that it's a literal animate creature...as the Doctor said Davros' ship flew into the jaws of Nightmare Child, people usually don't fly into an animate creature....and it's a pretty odd image to conjure up. As the Doctor said that he felt the room getting longer and longer, he looked down and noticed an energy ball surrounding him blocking his sight. (PROSE: The Whoniverse), However, after escaping New York, Dalek Caan fell into the Time War and saved Davros at the cost of his own sanity. But the name is damn creepy. In my mind the nightmare child is a white skinned demon with flesh rotting and falling off it's black bones with a face like The Beast in The Satan Pit. As Dalek Caan recounted, "[he] flew into the wild, and the fire; [he] danced and died a thousand times." 6:15, oct 26, 2010, I think it's Paris Hilton when she was younger. Unbeknownst to the Doctor, who had tried to save him, Davros was rescued by Dalek Caan , who had escaped the events of " Evolution of the Daleks " (2007) via an emergency temporal shift. For the most part, in the early days of the Time War the Time Lords had not shown much interest in pushing the boundaries of what regeneration could entail. Attack Pattern Alpha: Dalek Attack Formation Seven is apparently a straight line. The whole army of meanwhiles and neverwheres could just be timelord soilders, recall the council members did say that at the very heart of the time war people were dieing, and being revived only to die in another more dire way, these "people" would of course have been driven mad by the constant war. (PROSE: Twice Upon a Time). Though, saying a metaphor will return with the breaking of the Time Lock seems to stretch it a little :P Cannon881 21:09, March 6, 2010 (UTC), The Nightmare Child was born in the most firerce war in history (as in, BORN?! Delton Menace 17:12, January 2, 2010 (UTC), The Doctor seemed to be scared of the things in the time war and what scares the doctor the most... somthing that just kills. 17:29, January 2, 2010 (UTC), While that's very possible, I think that it's some sort of entity, think Unicron from Transformers, it doesn't strike me as being small enough to be a monster.Excalibur-117 17:40, January 2, 2010 (UTC). (Video Archive: The Stolen Earth) The Tenth Doctor said "I saw Arcadia destroyed. Edit No other info Availible Edit Davros Edit Davros is the creator of the Daleks, he was thought to be dead when his ship flew into the jaws of the nightmare child, but was saved, when Dalek Caan, (Last surviving member of the Cult of Skaro), flew into the time war and saved him. The cell door began to open and a red Dalek was waiting. One of the first Time Lords to take the threat the Daleks posed seriously, she came to Karn with a proposition. But this time the Doctor appeared a bit more... frightened when mentioning it. Davros saw it as the "perfect Dalek," rising above the flaws of every other Dalek. Davros only wanted the Doctor to watch as the Nightmare Child consumed his command ship. We have no idea what kind of creature this was, or if it was even alive. The cult of skaro was in the time war, maybe it was one of their mad experiments that went out of control. The Nightmare of Black Island is a BBC Books original novel written by Mike Tucker and based on the long-running science fiction television series Doctor Who. Davros planned to destroy it by luring it to the Gates of Elysium. The Daleks first appeared on television in 1963, in the second serial of Doctor Who. Because the Nightmare Child was mentioned yet again in The End of Time, it raises the question: what is it? Someone mentioned earlier that it sounded 'Cthulu'. Legend of the Nightmare Child: Doctor Who. I think the nightmare child was a timelord(or other faction) super ship, (somewhat like a vorlon planet crusher), and the whole "devros" flying into its jaws was akin to the crucible attempting to take it out while it was firing its primary weapon (like in independence day, where they took down the ships by destroying the main weapon as they fire) but failed and was obliterated. It was the location where Davros tried to kill the Nightmare Child during the Last Great Time War. So keep imagining, but as yet you haven't quite got there!Feumas 23:52, February 20, 2010 (UTC), I think it is some sort of large creature capable of consuming planets and ships,it has been said it has Jaws and i remember hearing on this wiki somewhere that in a comic strip the doctor claimed to have 'laughed in the face of the nightmare child'.Now if something has jaws and a face that sounds like some sort of creature to me.Something else from the time war i would like to know more about is the could've been king and his armies of meanwhiles and never weres,i assume from the names that he is an entity which creates alternative and rejected timelines in a simmilar way to the trickster.--666hotline 13:53, February 27, 2010 (UTC), To agree with 6666hotline, I thought of him as similar to Faction Paradox from the novels 18.104.22.168 17:37, February 27, 2010 (UTC), Unless ofcourse when the Doctor meantions it has a face, and jaws, its like reffering to "the jaws of defeat" or "the face of evil" ya know? 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